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	<description>content strategy and user experience, by Jonathan Kahn</description>
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		<title>Comment on Content strategy disrupts unethical agency sales practices by Karen McGrane</title>
		<link>http://lucidplot.com/2011/12/02/cs-ethics-sales/comment-page-1/#comment-1605</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen McGrane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 22:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is a great article, Jonathan, and touches on many problems we face in the web industry. In particular, I hope this raises a red flag for many people:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Many web projects are sold in a murky bait-and-switch fashion, where the agency agrees to an unrealistic fixed spec written by the client, and then hopes that once the problems become obvious, the client will prefer to pay their way out of the mess rather than starting over with a new agency.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There are good clients out there, ones that are willing to work collaboratively with a partner, ones that recognize that agencies are businesses that need to be managed profitably. There needs to be a mutual exchange of value between the client and the agency, otherwise they don&#039;t get good work.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If a client requires a fixed scope before you even know what you&#039;re building, let that be a warning to you.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great article, Jonathan, and touches on many problems we face in the web industry. In particular, I hope this raises a red flag for many people:</p>

<p>&#8220;Many web projects are sold in a murky bait-and-switch fashion, where the agency agrees to an unrealistic fixed spec written by the client, and then hopes that once the problems become obvious, the client will prefer to pay their way out of the mess rather than starting over with a new agency.&#8221;</p>

<p>There are good clients out there, ones that are willing to work collaboratively with a partner, ones that recognize that agencies are businesses that need to be managed profitably. There needs to be a mutual exchange of value between the client and the agency, otherwise they don&#8217;t get good work.</p>

<p>If a client requires a fixed scope before you even know what you&#8217;re building, let that be a warning to you.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Comment on Content strategy disrupts unethical agency sales practices by Kelsey Collister</title>
		<link>http://lucidplot.com/2011/12/02/cs-ethics-sales/comment-page-1/#comment-1604</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelsey Collister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 19:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I was pleasantly surprised how bold this article addressed key issues related to content strategy and change management. Slowly, organizations are beginning to see the value of working with content strategists. Once they see the value, there&#039;s no turning back. But it&#039;s just getting them to that point that is the problem. Like you said, it&#039;s so much easier to say we need development work, or web design, or web copy without even mentioning content strategy. That&#039;s probably because it&#039;s scary, and intimidating at times to sign up for change. Even if it&#039;s much needed change. Keep the articles coming, because I like how you approach this subject.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was pleasantly surprised how bold this article addressed key issues related to content strategy and change management. Slowly, organizations are beginning to see the value of working with content strategists. Once they see the value, there&#8217;s no turning back. But it&#8217;s just getting them to that point that is the problem. Like you said, it&#8217;s so much easier to say we need development work, or web design, or web copy without even mentioning content strategy. That&#8217;s probably because it&#8217;s scary, and intimidating at times to sign up for change. Even if it&#8217;s much needed change. Keep the articles coming, because I like how you approach this subject.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Comment on Content strategy disrupts unethical agency sales practices by Jonathan Kahn</title>
		<link>http://lucidplot.com/2011/12/02/cs-ethics-sales/comment-page-1/#comment-1602</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Kahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 17:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Stacey, &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Great to hear the update! &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As you say, &quot;explaining that the client shares accountability and ultimately is responsible for making it work&quot; is a big deal, and difficult to do in practice because clients don&#039;t tend to approach projects with that attitude.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Stacey, </p>

<p>Great to hear the update! </p>

<p>As you say, &#8220;explaining that the client shares accountability and ultimately is responsible for making it work&#8221; is a big deal, and difficult to do in practice because clients don&#8217;t tend to approach projects with that attitude.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Comment on Content strategy disrupts unethical agency sales practices by Stacey</title>
		<link>http://lucidplot.com/2011/12/02/cs-ethics-sales/comment-page-1/#comment-1601</link>
		<dc:creator>Stacey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 17:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hoorah! Love this article Jonathan! An update since the original thread: my agency partner has moved toward doing estimates for each phase of the project rather than fixed bids, and our strategy work is having much more impact. Because the agency has recognized the impact of content strategy not only on their own process but on their clients&#039; outcomes, they are dedicated to making it an integral part of projects they do, and that means approaching proposals differently than before.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This statement continues to be true however: &quot;Just because a client says they want content strategy, it doesn’t mean that they understand what that actually entails, or that they’re ready to start changing the organization.&quot; I think even after a content strategy is done, presented and approved, clients don&#039;t understand what the implications of that really are. We [I] need to be better about doing more education upfront and explaining that the client shares accountability and ultimately is responsible for making it work.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hoorah! Love this article Jonathan! An update since the original thread: my agency partner has moved toward doing estimates for each phase of the project rather than fixed bids, and our strategy work is having much more impact. Because the agency has recognized the impact of content strategy not only on their own process but on their clients&#8217; outcomes, they are dedicated to making it an integral part of projects they do, and that means approaching proposals differently than before.</p>

<p>This statement continues to be true however: &#8220;Just because a client says they want content strategy, it doesn’t mean that they understand what that actually entails, or that they’re ready to start changing the organization.&#8221; I think even after a content strategy is done, presented and approved, clients don&#8217;t understand what the implications of that really are. We [I] need to be better about doing more education upfront and explaining that the client shares accountability and ultimately is responsible for making it work.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Comment on Content strategy disrupts unethical agency sales practices by Content Strategy Resources</title>
		<link>http://lucidplot.com/2011/12/02/cs-ethics-sales/comment-page-1/#comment-1599</link>
		<dc:creator>Content Strategy Resources</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 16:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Content Strategy Disrupts Unethical Agency Sales Practices [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>Comment on Fear, denial &amp; distraction: why web professionals are scared of strategy by Content strategy disrupts unethical agency sales practices — lucid plot, by Jonathan Kahn</title>
		<link>http://lucidplot.com/2010/10/13/fear-denial-distraction/comment-page-1/#comment-1598</link>
		<dc:creator>Content strategy disrupts unethical agency sales practices — lucid plot, by Jonathan Kahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 16:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] wretched clients! Why are they so short-sighted?&#8221; But that&#8217;s only half the story. Web professionals are scared of strategy, and we use the distraction sell to keep projects within our comfort zones. We&#8217;re comfortable [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] wretched clients! Why are they so short-sighted?&#8221; But that&#8217;s only half the story. Web professionals are scared of strategy, and we use the distraction sell to keep projects within our comfort zones. We&#8217;re comfortable [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Comment on Why Confab &#8217;11 was a groundbreaking conference by CS is (Still) Not (Only) UX … and Why It Matters &#171; Brain Traffic Blog</title>
		<link>http://lucidplot.com/2011/05/25/confab2011-wrapup/comment-page-1/#comment-1509</link>
		<dc:creator>CS is (Still) Not (Only) UX … and Why It Matters &#171; Brain Traffic Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 20:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Do We Go From Here? A lot of great posts appeared after Confab, including two from Jonathan Kahn and Sara Wachter-Boettcher, that discuss ways of moving ahead as our community continues to gel. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Do We Go From Here? A lot of great posts appeared after Confab, including two from Jonathan Kahn and Sara Wachter-Boettcher, that discuss ways of moving ahead as our community continues to gel. [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Comment on Why Confab &#8217;11 was a groundbreaking conference by Jonathan Kahn</title>
		<link>http://lucidplot.com/2011/05/25/confab2011-wrapup/comment-page-1/#comment-1502</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Kahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 18:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Shelly! What a lovely way to put it. And I&#039;m so pleased that you liked the post.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Shelly! What a lovely way to put it. And I&#8217;m so pleased that you liked the post.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Comment on Why Confab &#8217;11 was a groundbreaking conference by Shelly Bowen</title>
		<link>http://lucidplot.com/2011/05/25/confab2011-wrapup/comment-page-1/#comment-1501</link>
		<dc:creator>Shelly Bowen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 18:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hey, thanks so much for this recap, Jonathan. I&#039;ve been trying to explain to colleagues and friends the difference between this conference and all the others I&#039;ve attended in the last couple years and have come up short. I keep thinking -- is it me? Was I just excited because it&#039;s my industry and content strategists feel like family? But I think you&#039;ve really captured it here: the whimsical and magical, yet down-to-earth this-is-serious-business vibe that was Confab &#039;11.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, thanks so much for this recap, Jonathan. I&#8217;ve been trying to explain to colleagues and friends the difference between this conference and all the others I&#8217;ve attended in the last couple years and have come up short. I keep thinking &#8212; is it me? Was I just excited because it&#8217;s my industry and content strategists feel like family? But I think you&#8217;ve really captured it here: the whimsical and magical, yet down-to-earth this-is-serious-business vibe that was Confab &#8217;11.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Comment on Content Strategy Forum 2010: the wrap-up by Why Confab &#8217;11 was a groundbreaking conference — lucid plot, by Jonathan Kahn</title>
		<link>http://lucidplot.com/2010/05/03/csforum10-wrapup/comment-page-1/#comment-1498</link>
		<dc:creator>Why Confab &#8217;11 was a groundbreaking conference — lucid plot, by Jonathan Kahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2011 19:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] about seeing so many twitter avatars transformed into real live human beings, all at once. Sure, CS Forum 10 in Paris had some of that, but this was more than twice the size. Second, Confab was the best organized [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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