
As part of a series of interviews with presenters at the upcoming Together London Masterclasses, May 3-4 2012, I interviewed Gerry McGovern about grown-up web metrics, organisational change for web management, customer centric thinking, and his “top task management” approach. If you like this interview, don’t miss Gerry’s masterclass on 3 May in London–tickets are still available.
What experiences led you to the Top Task Management approach?
People come to websites to do. That’s what makes the Web so different from other media. They don’t want to be communicated at or marketed to. They want to do, and there is always a small set of top tasks that most customers expect to be able to do quickly and easily. If this is true on the Web, it is even more true for mobile.
At your company Customer Carewords, what does a typical consulting engagement look like?
There are usually two parts. The first is to identify the customer top tasks. This can take up to three months and involves developing a comprehensive list of customer tasks based on research of the current website, search analysis, various customer feedback and research, competitors, social media, etc. Once the task list is complete we get customers to vote. If there are 100 customer tasks then typically the top 5 tasks will get as much of the vote as the bottom 50.
The next step is to measure the performance of the tasks. We create examples of top tasks and using remote testing, get customers to attempt to complete these tasks. We have three core metrics:
- Success rate: how many customers successfully completed the task.
- Disaster rate: how many customers thought they had got the right answer, but it’s the wrong answer.
- Completion time: how long it takes customers to complete tasks.
We say that top task management is about bringing your success rate above 90%, your disaster rate below 5%, and then focusing on helping the customer complete the task in the fastest possible time.
Which companies do you consult for?
Mainly large organizations such as Cisco, Microsoft, IBM, Atlas Copco, T-Mobile, etc. There have been over 400 implementations of the top tasks approach.
In large organisations, which departments hire you to do consulting?
Typically, it would be from the central web team which we generally find with the Communications or Marketing departments.
How do you address web problems that cut across organisational silos, and can’t be solved within a single department?
I was with a company recently where someone told me that she wrote the description of “How to redeem a coupon,” but that another part of the organization managed the application that allowed you to redeem the coupon. She had never spoken to anyone from that department.
Silo-fication is a big challenge for large organizations today. It becomes very obvious on the Web that the organization is not collaborating internally. The Web is the place you hang out your dirty linen for everyone to see. One of the benefits of the top tasks approach is that it encourages collaboration. The focus is not on the content or the technology or the organizational unit, but rather on the task of the customer.
In your CS Forum talk you gave the example of NHS Direct, where nobody was responsible for “helping people check symptoms”—people were responsible for content, or technology, or design, but not for helping customers achieve tasks. How does the Top Task Management approach address this type of problem?
It measures outcomes instead of inputs. Focusing on the content is too narrow and often leads to navel-gazing and lots of content professionals telling each other how important content is. Focusing on what your content helps people do changes the whole dynamic. People want to check symptoms. Shouldn’t it be a core objective of a health website to help people check symptoms? It’s not enough to say you have content on symptoms. You have to manage and measure the outcome—whether people can actually check their symptoms.
You also said that most web teams use inappropriate metrics that don’t relate to the success of customers in using the website. If that’s true, how did organisations get into the position of using web metrics that aren’t related to business success? And how would you convince such an organisation that measuring customer task completion is best for the business? That doesn’t seem to have occurred to them yet!
It’s all part of the Cult of Volume. Years ago, when the Web was starting out, web teams were desperately trying to prove that their website was important. So they looked at their statistics and found the biggest number they could find, which was called HITS. Now, HITS stands for How Idiots Track Success.
Most web metrics aren’t much better than HITS. They tell you about what has happened but not why. So, I’m sure BP were delighted by the fact that they had lots of visitors to their website after the oil spill. If most of the customers coming to your website go to Support is that a good thing? If people are spending lots of time on your website maybe it’s because it’s confusing. If people spend lots of time reading content on a particular page does that mean the content is good or bad?
Would you pay sales people based on how much they talked? Yet, that’s how content people are measured—based on how much they write. It’s so often about crude volume measures. These measures are used because they give the impression that something is happening, that some value is being created. But in many situations volume is actually a measure of value destruction. If we do not know what our customers want to do and whether they have been able to do it, how can we really measure or manage anything?
Is it really possible to change the culture of an organisation from organisation-centric to customer-centric? If so, where have you seen this happen successfully, and how long did it take?
Nothing is immovable, nothing is forever. Look at IBM. It managed to change itself from being a hardware company to being a services company. The change is not easy but it’s not impossible. Today, most organizations are still structured for a pre-Web world. They want to tell customers things and they want to get customers to do what the organization wants them to do. They think they can use clever marketing, PR and advertising to do this. That’s not the way the world works today. It’s a customer’s world. Social media is about customer power, not organizational power. It is not a matter of choice for organizations to become more customer centric. Those that don’t will go into decline.
Have you found that running a Top Tasks exercise helps to change organisational culture? If so, how?
When we start a top tasks project many people within the organization will say that they don’t have tasks, that they have tools or information. Showing that every tool has a purpose, that customers always have a task in mind when they look for information, can really turn the light on. All this stuff within the organization should have a purpose—a customer task—and if it doesn’t, then why is it there? It’s the same for intranets. We ask: how does this help employees complete a task?
Actually, once people get used to the tasks concept they often get excited. It’s much more rewarding when you can see your content actually help someone achieve something. When we start focusing on the outcomes that leads to a much more fulfilling career. Because you can see how what you do as a professional impacts on the customer. So, that’s a real driver of change.
You’ve argued that the web is revolutionising marketing, sales, customer service, and support. Are the senior managers you speak to ready to accept these radical changes, or are they still in a state of denial?
Many are still in a state of denial, hoping, I suppose, that they retire before the impact of the revolution truly hits home. But there is progress for sure. Many in senior management saw the Web initially as an IT challenge but that has all changed. It moved over to Marketing or Communications for a while, but I see a growing recognition that the Web is primarily about service—self-service. So, there is a growing sense that a website is not just about pretty pictures and propaganda.
Another trend I see is how organizations are moving slowly away from a model of teams to a model of networks. Instead of setting up a team to deal with a project—with the team nearly always coming from the same department, we now see loose networks being formed that tend to be cross-departmental. This is a very hopeful sign.
You’re leading a masterclass in London called “Creating service-focused websites”. Who is it for, and what will attendees learn?
It is essentially for people involved in managing or running large, complex websites. Where there are a lot of demands on the web team from the tiny tasks (low customer demand but high political clout). The methods in the masterclass will give you the evidence to prioritize and focus. It will give you the capacity to say no to the tiny tasks and to develop a model of continuous improvement for your customers’ top tasks.
Can you share any success stories from previous masterclasses you’ve led?
We do a lot of work with Cisco. A top task of Cisco customers is to download software updates. Working with the Cisco team, the average time for a software download has been reduced from 280 seconds to 100 seconds. In 2011, Cisco was awarded No 1 spot for usability among large technology websites by Site IQ. Microsoft have used to top tasks approach for their Pinpoint site which is a marketplace where you find IT consultancies and third party software vendors. The approach helped them increase customer inquiries from 9% to 25%; so 25% of those visiting the site now end up contacting a Microsoft partner.
Gerry on video
Here’s Gerry’s keynote speech at the Content Strategy Forum 2011 in London.
Gerry McGovern — Keynote: Manage the tasks, not the content from Together London on Vimeo.
Don’t miss the masterclass
If you enjoyed this interview, don’t miss Gerry’s masterclass on 3 May in London–tickets are still available.